Knotty Productions

Kink & Community Education w/ Knotty Productions

In this week’s episode Clay, Ronen, Ever, & Todd talk with Mx Knotty & Casper at the Knotty Productions house. They discuss Shibari, Fear Play and other Kink & BDSM topics, Sex Education, Community Building, and doing everything we can to reduce the physical & emotional risks in kink play. In the coming months we will check in with Knotty Productions at the Folsom Street Fair and return to tour their amazing Dungeon and develop educational content for the BDSM 101 Project.

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Kink & Community Education w/ Knotty Productions Episode Transcript

This is The Subspace Exploration Project.

Join us for a deep dive into Kink, non-monogamy, mental and emotional health, gender expression, and community building.

In each episode, we're deconstructing the gender binary, celebrating queer culture, and creating a safe space for sex education, all while learning from authors, educators, mental health professionals, and folks like you and me.

In this week's episode, Clay, Ronen, Ever, and Todd, talk with Mx Knotty and Casper at the Knotty Productions house.

They discuss Shibari, Fear Play, and other Kink and BDSM interests.

Sex education, community building, and doing everything we can to reduce the physical and emotional risks in Kink Play.

In the coming months, we will check in with Knotty Productions at the Falsom Street Fair, and return to tour their amazing dungeon, and develop educational content for the BDSM 101 Project.

Let's get to it.

Can you tell us how Knotty Productions came to be?

Oh, that's a long story.

So I moved here from LA, and there was not, you can't see it in the camera, but I'm a 5'3 femme person, and I am only a top, and there was not a lot of places I really felt, like my community was in, not a lot of like lesbian femme tops that I could like really connect with.

I was really getting into rope bondage.

I was self tying.

I had been tying another partner back in LA.

So I started doing rope bites.

So little groups of people where they could come, and then I started teaching within those rope bites, and it just kind of started that way.

And almost six months to a year after starting doing all of that, I realized I cannot do it alone, and I was currently living with Kingsley, and I asked them for help, and that's where KP was formed.

And it was after that, it just kind of ricocheted.

We've been going to, we performed at the Shakespeare Festival, we performed at King Fest, that we're going to go to Folsom to do two, maybe three performances.

But yeah, no, it's been a wild, wild little ride, honestly, yeah.

So it started, did it start with like rope for you?

Yes, yeah, it definitely started with rope.

I'm into a lot of different kinks.

It's just rope is, I am a very all over the place human.

And it focuses me, like it gives me that tunnel vision.

It's very meditative to me, which is why I started self tying.

Also, I have a huge respect for my bottoms.

So I started self tying and self suspending before I suspended anybody else for almost a year as a way of respect.

But it also really allowed me to work on my tunnel vision and how to really focus in that way and find my power and my peace within that.

It really allowed me to think, which not a lot of things do.

It honestly changed my life to be able to do Rope the way that I do and I wouldn't change it for the world.

It's light bulb.

Light bulb.

Is that joke?

Well, just, I was, we were talking about the calming effects that Rope Play has for Clay.

And sometimes he can't settle into it.

But like I, I constantly emphasize in like the need, a lot recently, the exercise you need to pause and take a moment and allow for that.

because sometimes that's exactly what he needs to calm and ground himself.

Yeah, it's, it's really interesting because I have a really hard time calming myself.

And we saw that a lot of the time when I like come home from work and I've just worked a 10 hour shift and we're like, okay, let's go suspend.

And I am at Revolution 100.

You're still wearing your work clothes.

I'm still wearing my work clothes.

I haven't taken my shoes off.

I'm like, let's do this.

Hinn and I are literally sitting there just like.

So creating rituals was a huge way to allow me to get into that.

Headspace we have, if you look around the dojo, we have things like our bell or our still tongue drum to create literal rituals of things we do.

Like incense.

Every single time to create a vibe.

We see this a lot in different types of kink spaces.

Like if you have multiple types of dynamics with different people or with the same person, multiple types of dynamic, creating specific rituals for each style really allows your headspace to get there quicker.

So creating that really allows me to go from my Squirrel mode to my Knotty mode, you know?

And it's really fascinating how it allows for that to happen that way.

Yeah, absolutely.

I haven't done so much self-tying.

I would like to...

And suspension has always been something that, I don't know, it feels like it might be...

It's that pressure that the rope gives and squeezing your body that really feels like a release.

And sometimes I can find it difficult to get that by myself without being like so fully wrapped up, you know?

Yeah, it's really hard to wrap yourself up in that way.

But yeah, no, rope really allows that.

See, for me, I absolutely despise that feeling.

It makes me feel so claustrophobic.

So like when I like self-suspend or self-tie, I've noticed I can't do things like photos or things like that on myself because I can't walk.

So I get into a little bit of a panicky state.

But I've seen a lot of rope bottoms really thrive in that state of letting go.

I wish I will get there one day.

To this point, still give me body harnesses and I'll self-suspend so that I can move.

But it's really fascinating when I see some people, especially people that are just starting in rope bondage, the way that they get into it, most of the time you get one of two vibes.

You get the super giggly ones that they're like, oh my God, this is so fun, this is so exciting.

Then you have the ones that just drop and have never dropped into subspace or into rope space that way.

They're just like, whoa, because it's a whole other dimension of sensations.

It's really fascinating how all of that works with people in general.

I've tied so many people, we do private classes and private suspensions here, and being able to work with so many different individuals is such an honor because I get to see how they all react, especially because our first suspensions are always almost the exact same tie because I know it's a tie that works with most body abilities, and I know that I can easily bring them down if they start panic.

So being able to see the wide range of sensations and the wide range of reactions that people get through rope is really fascinating.

Yeah.

Absolutely.

That drop into the subspace and rope and breathing through it and focusing on your breathing, especially when you feel restricted.

Like, very grounding and focusing.

Yeah.

I know Kingsley is fantastic at work, talking with people through how to do exactly that, those breathing exercises and allowing different pain management techniques.

Yeah.

It's really fascinating.

Like yoga.

Like very much, yeah.

So for people listening who are really super new to this, what do you recommend people start if they want to get into Shibari?

Research so much.

Come do it in our classes.

That too, but like go to any class.

Really?

It's really important to remember that Roe Bondage has the highest risk of death or injury than any other kink.

It happens.

You really need to be aware of your surroundings, be aware of your body and be aware of who you're playing with.

I don't care if you're a top or a bottom.

If you don't fully trust the person you're tying with, they can fuck you over, they can accidentally hurt you or harm you.

You need to be very aware of your body as well, especially regarding nerves.

Nerve compression is really high on the list of injuries that can happen.

The scary thing with nerve compression is it doesn't hurt.

Most of the time, it feels weird, it feels funny, it feels sharp.

If it hurts, it's like a really sharp pain.

But it's not like the regular pain you feel most of the time.

Most people, when they start doing kink or they are like, let's say that you've done impact before, you're really into impact and you try to get into rope, when you tap is when it hurts too much.

But in reality, what you need to be looking at is obviously pain and comfort.

But rope is inherently painful, but also looking at how your body is reacting and really knowing how to do your nerve checks, really knowing how your body feels and being very in tune with your body, which is why it's a little bit scary when someone dissociates and they drop so hard into that subspace because they can no longer check in on themselves.

It's really important as a top to keep them at a level.

Kingsley always says you have to stay 20 percent awake.

As a way to be able to check in with your body.

It's so hard sometimes because it feels so nice.

You've been in a suspension so long that you just drop and drop and drop.

But then if you can't, something can easily just shift.

Your fat can shift and put pressure on that.

Not only that, but also the amount of adrenaline coursing through your veins at that point usually will cancel out pain signals that you would be getting if you weren't in that super floaty brain chemical space.

What are some recommendations for keeping the bottom 20, at least 20 percent awake without ruining the subspace?

Communication, mainly.

Let's say that I am tying with Casper.

I will actively touch her or move her.

Or ask me to do nerve checks.

Or ask her to do nerve checks.

But if I'm tying with someone that I don't know so well, that I don't have an intimate relationship with, it tends to be very much of staying communicated.

How does that feel?

Can you move your body a little bit?

How does it feel when you move?

It's a way to first of all make them really be aware of the rope in their body, but secondly, keep them awake and checking in with themselves.

because I don't want to be consistently scaring them, like, do you have a nerve compression?

You don't want to do that because it's going to completely ruin that mood.

But if you tell them, hey, move in your rope, how does it feel when you flex?

How does it feel when you twist yourself a little bit?

It forces them to really enjoy the rope, stay awake and be very aware of their bodies.

And I've noticed that works really, really well with most people.

Though, if someone stops responding to me, then I'm like, hey, I'm glad you're having a great time, let's start coming down.

As a way to also keep morality into it, because this is people that I don't have a personal relationship with.

So I don't think it's very appropriate for me to allow them to go all the way down into that subspace when we haven't created that connection.

You don't know what that's like for them.

Exactly, and they don't know me like that either.

Even though they trust me enough to come to my house and suspend, we don't have that connection or that knowledge off each other.

Since it's their first time, they don't always know exactly what that aftercare would look like for them.

You just have to make sure that you're being able to provide what you can.

Exactly.

Also remembering you have a 45-minute drive back, and when you are in subspace or in rope space or in top space, it does not matter, you are not sober.

This is a very fucking windy road to not be sober in.

Yeah.

A lot of our students actually hang out for a while after class, just to make sure that they're fully cognizant of theirs.

Exactly.

Especially, we have our intensive class on Wednesdays, and most of them are self-suspending or suspending each other by now.

So a lot of the time they'll come down and they're like, I'm so high.

I'm like, okay, let me bring you some tea, just chill out for a little bit.

The class ends at nine, but nobody really leaves till 10.

So it's a way of making sure everybody's safe, everybody gets to put away their rope and create their rituals of coming down.

And we'll also usually tie at the end of class to give people time to just sit there and still be in the space but bring themselves back to reality at the same time.

Also, it's fun when you get to watch people tie for three hours, I'm like, okay, it's my turn.

Yeah, I'm not watching you guys anymore.

Exactly.

So something that we're finding as we're working with folks in our community, usually Springfield area and also online.

Getting into education is a great way to build that community like you were saying.

And also it gives opportunities to maybe explore things with people that you might not otherwise.

You get to workshop things with the community.

I think that's pretty amazing.

I'm certainly learning a lot.

I'm just getting a chance to speak with a lot of different educators.

But I'm wondering, aside from Shibari, Rope Play, Rope Safety, what are the other kinds of sex and kink education that y'all are focusing on these days?

Well, we do quite a bit.

I do kink and sex coaching, and we have a dungeon where we do private dungeon tours.

I really love those for people that are new, because let's say that you are like, fuck yeah, I watched blah, blah, blah, and I really want to get into kink.

But I don't know what the fuck I like.

Equipment is expensive.

So what I like to do is have people come here, and we get to go through every single aspect of my dungeon.

I have multiple types of floggers, multiple types of paddles.

I have a whole room dedicated to this.

So it allows them to go through and feel the impact implements, feel the electro play, feel the needle play, feel the duel of those things and see them, and then be like, I want to learn more about that or not my thing.

So instead of having to buy a bunch of different equipment, it really allows you to figure out what you like.

Let's say that you are into impact.

What type of impact?

Are you more into sensation?

Are you more into thuddy?

Are you more into stingy?

How intense?

What positions work with your body?

It allows you to really workshop what works for you.

So then when you go into the scene, you have a lot less of those hee-hee, oh no moments, which are great, and they're still going to happen.

But if you come in with a base knowledge of what you like, it really allows you to explore a lot more, which is why I really love those dungeon tours.

I also do specific classes on different things like flogging or florentining.

I do not teach needle play because I've been doing it for a couple of years, but I'm not someone that I do.

I don't feel comfortable enough to teach, but I have friends that teach it.

So I will recommend someone else to go, if I don't know the subject itself.

But most of what we teach is impact, it's rope, it's fear play.

It's one of my favorite classes to teach.

Same.

Connection and sensory play.

Got to come to that.

That was good.

It was a good class and you got to see also a shrink in the side of that class because we had literally just worked all week.

Also, we had to wear the masks and that, just the mask in general, having to wear that during a scene cut the time in half because of how much oxygen I was getting.

I was hyperventilating every couple of minutes.

Not in the fun way.

I still find it very informative.

It gave me some great ideas and great things to consider in approaching Fear Play.

It's a good starting point for sure.

Yeah.

Fear Play is definitely one of my favorite things.

It's not what I would want to make people start with.

When you're getting into Kink, start connections.

Yeah.

I think starting into Fear Play is intermediate to advanced depending on what you're doing.

But it's a really fun thing.

I really recommend people when they're starting, starting in sensory play because even though, which I find really funny that we have this association with sensory play and soft play, when it doesn't have to be like you can 100 percent.

You can be super soft, but as a sadist, it doesn't have to be.

I promise, it does not need to be like.

So it really allows you to feel those sensations and then add the psychological aspect to it.

because in my experience, if you bruise someone, a physical injury is going to heal most of the time, it's going to heal a lot faster than a psychological injury.

That can really just fuck up your relationship if you get the wrong nerve.

So I think it's really important that you start with that physical aspect, really learn the body, really learn what works and then start in adding some of that psychological aspects of it.

because a psychological scar, like I said earlier, just lasts a lot longer.

Especially if you can't put topical cream on a psychological scar.

No, you cannot.

Arnica does not work for that, unfortunately.

If only.

There would be a lot cheaper.

When we first started talking about coming down here and doing the interview, early stages we were throwing out the idea of working on some educational content, but we didn't really have a focus.

Since then, we've actually spoke to a lot of different educators and realized that we really want to prioritize making at least 101 Kink & BDSM content available for free, all in a central location.

We're actually talking with folks that have compiled stuff like this before, but for whatever reason, the project fell by the wayside, sometimes shut down or it's still up, but there's not a lot of traffic to it.

Some of it's not current.

We're working with folks prioritizing, not just Kink & BDSM understanding of the basics of that, but also community and personal wellness and sex education.

Some of it's going to be very classroom-oriented, and there's also going to be a lot of demonstration of how these things work.

Kind of a little bit, maybe kind of clinical in a sense, but also, because it's going to be a crowd-funded project, we're going to be making sure you show all of these practices in action, which means showing Kink scenes from negotiation to after care with behind the scenes narration from all parties involved.

So, anybody who appears in the scene can explain what their experience was, why they might have changed their plan or whatever.

And so, it's hot and educational, shows people doing Kink and BDSM in healthy ways.

And some of that will be available, like excerpts of that will be available for free to incentivize people to consider subscribing and supporting the project.

But it also gives people, contributors to the project, an opportunity to share that side, that intimacy, that vulnerability, with people, for those that have an exhibition, a street.

I thought I smelled another one.

Does it really stink like that?

But we would love to talk to y'all about potentially developing some, maybe starting with rope specifically, but some of the other stuff that you're really passionate about.

I would love to do that.

And I know two very exhibitionist style people that would love to bottom for something like that.

And I've actually watched a couple of different Kink creators, Kinkborne creators do exactly that where they have the negotiation, and then they show the scene and then they have the debrief.

And it's absolutely fascinating to watch that.

And I think it'd be a cool, interesting way to overlap them.

I'd be really interested to see how you are interested in doing that.

We're actually going to be filming at least one scene with Saversmith soon.

They're going to be doing the filming and maybe doing filming for us more in the future.

But here within a couple weeks, we were actually supposed to film it yesterday.

But it was postponed for a number of reasons.

But we're really excited to get a chance to work with books like that.

Yes.

Especially, I mean, they've got an amazing eye for photography and capturing that kind of-

And they're making an amazing sensory deprivation hood for Clay, which-

Yeah, I'm really excited.

It's my first custom leather piece and it's got all the bells and whistles.

Oh my God, that's exciting.

So I have to come back and I have to show you all.

Please do.

But yeah, this would be a great also location to film because we have it all set up.

We're actually building a frame wall that's going to go up soon with a bunch of kinky art that we've been collecting over the years.

So next time you'll be up, that will be ready.

But I would love to do something like that.

I think you would too with that smile.

just maybe a little bit.

Regarding the company, we do all of our privates.

We teach at As You Like It, both in Ashland and in Eugene.

We're going down to Folsom.

Yeah, catch us on that main stage.

We're all going to be making a trip down to Folsom.

Oh, shit.

That's awesome.

Great.

We'll see you guys there.

That would be great.

But yeah, no, it's been a, I mean, you guys know, it's a trip working in this industry.

It's an absolute wild ride.

It's non-stop.

In a good way.

Yeah.

In the best way.

In the best way.

We should see if we can coordinate like a check in, like a 10-minute, like how's it going?

How's the Folsom experience going?

Yeah.

because we're actually, when we're down there, we're going to be interviewing this old leather daddy, Ray Spanning, who's doing a book on the Folsom Street Fair.

Oh, fun.

That's cool.

So it would be kind of cool to document old school culture versus what's happening.

Yeah.

It's very different.

Have you ever read Loving Dominant?

Highly recommended.

He talks a little bit about the difference in culture as Kink has developed and it's nice.

Yeah, Loving Dominant.

Yeah.

Well, yeah.

But I mean, it's going to be so busy, like I think more than 10 minutes would probably be impossible for anybody.

But we've got breathe toys, leaf bound, and then maybe check in with you all if we want to coordinate it.

just a quick little-

No, that would be great.

That would be fun.

At the very least, a fit check.

I think some of my students will also be there, so that would be a great time to connect.

Please let us know because I'm actually really interested in doing the filming of scenes of both impact play of this, and depending on how we get along, some more other things.

Yeah.

I was like.

We're very above board and the project, and the way that's going to be structured, it's going to be crowdfunded, and we're going to be very transparent about the way money exchanges hands, who gets the funding, what goes to the project, what goes to the contributors, and myself being a cis man, I welcome any and all scrutiny to my existing in this space.

because I growing up around other cis men, I understand exactly why I should be scrutinized.

You know.

This is a professional bottom as well.

It's true.

I have lots and lots of opinions.

And life experiences.

Same thing.

I've heard a lot of people have opinions without life experience.

That's scary.

I stand corrected.

Long time Rope Bottom.

Well, actually, about as long as I've known this one, I've been interested in rope for a very, very long time.

But didn't really get to do much of the rope until I met you.

About two years ago.

Yeah, we just had an anniversary back in June 31st.

That's what you told me at least.

We don't actually remember, we just went off of a picture that we took.

Let's be girlfriends.

Exactly.

I have a countdown on my phone.

Yeah, I love it.

One thing we were talking about earlier about exhibitionism and rope for me, the two are linked so intrinsically.

It is absolutely wild.

Whenever we're tying in a dungeon space or in a show, my pain tolerance goes so high.

But then we come here and we try to tie with just the two of us, and I'm a little bitch.

I can't take anything.

At times, that's very disheartening.

But I just have to remember that I am an exhibitionist and being watched gives me so much energy.

It's wild, truly wild.

I think some people feel that that's like a bad thing about themselves.

But like if exhibitionism is your thing and that's happening, of course, you're going to be able to do a lot.

You're in invigorated by.

Exactly.

Well, people want to shame people who are enjoying being witnessed.

Yeah.

Like, let me be an attention whore.

What's the harm?

Let people have their kinks.

What the fuck are we not?

But honestly speaking, we have been exhibitionist our entire, like, as a human species, like we've danced.

We've like, that's been how we connect with each other.

We love to be witnessed.

Exactly.

I mean, it's the only way to show that we've lived, no?

To be observed.

That was philosophical.

The tea, man.

What do you think you would tell someone that is new to rope bondage?

That you wish you had known before you started?

It hurts a lot more than you think.

The people that are up there in the rope, they make it look really, really easy.

And also trust your body.

Learn how to be connected with yourself, really hone in those grounding techniques.

And if you can master that, then it can heal a part of you that you probably didn't even realize needed to be healed.

What kind of recommendations would you have for somebody for preparing their body to explore in suspension?

Stretch so much.

If you have any kind of medical conditions, go to your doctor.

obviously, not everybody is going to feel comfortable going to their general practitioner and being like, hey, I'm going to get strung up by my arms and my waist this weekend.

What should I look out for with my various medical concerns?

For me, I can't spin or be hung upside down for long periods of time, various reasons.

But I didn't take my own advice.

I haven't seen my doctor in a very long time.

But my mother is a nurse, so I got to ask her all those things.

But yeah, especially go and talk to your doctor and see, would I be okay if I lose circulation in a certain limb for a long time?

Can I go upside down?

What should I look out for to make sure I am being risk aware in these situations?

because we try not to ever use the word safe, because it's never safe.

But you are aware of the risks that you're taking, and you're okay with the potential consequences.

Risk aware, shit happens.

Shit, yeah, with Rope, it's not an if, it's a when.

And that's something I really drill down on my students.

Especially if you're talking a lot.

Exactly.

Especially if you're talking a lot.

It's not an if I do a nerve compression, no, it's when the nerve compression happens.

If an equipment fails, it's when the equipment fails, which is why you have to continuously check all of your equipment, all the fucking time.

because it's literally holding up human life.

Yeah.

Literally.

You can't see it in the cameras, but we have a full bed under one of our rigs for people learning to suspend for that reason.

Equipment is cheap in the hand, in like the view of a human life.

Yeah.

And also like your arm, it's a lot as a rigger, it's a lot of weight and a lot of strength in your hands.

Like you can cramp.

I've had it happen in a show where I'm holding an entire body's weight in one arm and my fucking arm cramped.

You can't let go.

It hurts like a bitch, but you cannot let go.

Like, she'll come away from shows sometimes with bloodied hands, which is like the biggest smile on her face.

And for everybody watching Bloody because it picks up your cuticles, because I have to get in there and get things through.

It's not like it's cutting my hand, it's just that it picks up the cuticle and that's what makes it bloody, just for those that don't know.

But it still looks badass.

It's like when power lifters are like, check out these calluses that are ripped on my hands the other day.

Exactly.

The same fucking thing, it's your sport, it's your intense sport to keep playing.

We actually really look at it as a sport, it's much more than a kink nowadays because we do so many shows and Kinkley is so fucking flexible.

So athletic.

So athletic, so has so much ability to move in my rope that has allowed us to go into this other level where now I see the positions and I'm like, okay, this is the position but they are such an active bottom.

Then I'm like, okay, from this position, they can go into all of these positions without me moving much of the rope.

And then I had to completely change the way that I lock things off so that they can grab my up lines and move themselves around.

If you've ever seen one of their shows, it's fascinating the way that we've learned to allow them to move in that rope.

This is impressive.

It really is.

It takes up a lot of physical strength.

But it hurts for both the tops and the bottoms.

I think one of the biggest complaints I get from rope tops is they're learning to do something and they're like, my hand is wrong.

I'm like, yeah.

And you will grow a callus and you'll burn the callus off and your hand will be wrong and you'll grow a callus and your hand will be burned off.

It's how it goes.

I've been doing this for years and if you see my hands, it's still baby smooth but ripped off calluses at the same time.

My biggest problem is actually that the rope dries my hands out.

Yeah, so much.

I have a specific cream that I always keep in my purse.

Is it this one?

No, it's the green one, the one that you turned me into.

The green one that squirts out.

Oh, forage therapy lotion is amazing.

Not sponsored, just I love it.

Yeah, it is fantastic and I haven't, I've tried a lot of different lotions and it makes my hands oily and I don't respond well to them.

What about gloves, like a leather glove or something?

Okay, so this is my opinion because this is not a fact.

I've seen people wear gloves and I want to wear gloves.

It's just first of all, I have child-sized hands, so I have to buy child-sized, no, I'm not even joking, I have to buy child-sized gloves.

It's really hard to find gloves that fit her.

It doesn't allow me to move as much as I want to.

So the ones that allow me to move are too big, so I don't get the grip I want.

And the ones that fit me well doesn't allow me to have as much strength and movement in my fingers, because I use each individual finger for a different thing.

So I need that full range of mobility.

I've been looking at this biker ones that have like the open knuckles that are for like getting into fights, but honestly, it's gonna be great for allowing my knuckles to protrude and move, because that's an issue I have a lot with gloves.

But some people really like them.

It will help your hand, but in my opinion, what happens when you forget the gloves at home and your hands aren't ready for the pain?

Too bad, baby.

Yeah, that's true, but like if let's say you're doing a show and you're working with airplanes that burn the fuck out of your hand and you don't have that thickness of skin.

Yeah, you're not prepared.

I'm not willing to be in that much pain because I forget shit all the time.

Yes.

If you're willing to take that risk, if you're willing to take that risk, you do you, boo.

Consider your tendencies.

Do not rely on something if you're going to forget all the time.

Yes.

I wish I was a gentler person and a more remembering person.

I love you for who you are.

I love me for who I am too.

Thank you for joining us.

Thank you for having us.

Thank you for traveling all the way down to us.

I look forward to the opportunity to sit down with you all again, and hopefully, I'll give you an opportunity to demonstrate that which you love.

Yes.

That's the shit we like to do.

Also, this background is just beautiful, so it'll be great for all kinds of videos.

Maybe next time you guys come down, we'll have the framework all set up.

That's actually my goal.

Next time they come up, I have to have the framework.

Okay.

It's all set up.

Let's set a date.

Okay, fuck.

I'm not coming in, y'all!!

Thank you.

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